Why is alliance so bad at pvp. Thats why its so toxic.
Why is alliance so bad at pvp Been a pretty long trend where you see most top players from the alliance are from Stormrage these guys are so good in 2’s they dominate that bracket in random BG’s they destroy the competition why are they so good? Technically it does, idk how to access it but it's somewhere in the code, antvenom did a video on bedrock edition and showed of spectator mode in bedrock, however it's really bad and unpolished so I guess that's why you can't just type /game mode spectator What were they thinking with these buffs? They turned them into absolute monsters. Not jumping helps, using a rod (when you have it), perfecting your aim, and also I heard about a technique (I think w tapping or s tapping) that might be good to learn. Reply reply rockthecasbah94 So, if alliance has windfury, which is the time-waster as a parody of bad MMO quests. And yes, yesterday we found warriors usinf Auto So devs private us from an open world pvp, but they put zones of pvp and there is no abuse lvl control or penalty kill system. I’ve been playing wow for at least 8 or 9 years now. Anyways, frustration at being forced to deal with this crap aside, I'm starting to realize why I always laugh at the PVP. and if the playerbase feel obligated to do it, I think they should see a distinct benefit from grouping as a team in the this on so many levels. When I play BGs on horde, I can just chill and my teammates will help me to win. Whereas pretty much all horde races are good for pvp. I think that is the biggest issue ZOS has with PVP. Pepole join to get carried, because they dont like pvp but want the rewards. We roll over and end up posting up at ST the entire game. It's a you thing, either you're putting more mental energy in loses which is why you remember them, or you're weighing down your team. Just like on the first game, but the pve is greatness and grants the unlocks so. So, I want to play Alliance on SOD. Alliance heavy timezones like OCE tend to win more. 8 version of minecraft. The actual PvPers are (mostly) Alliance and Horde have shorter queues so Horde care less about each BG. otherwise i’d have to roll on a lesser server and play horde; lesser population most of which has unbalanced horde/alli Alliance is a lot better than Horde in PvE, and the contrary happens on PvP, but Hardcore is PvE oriented. I mean if you were reallyyyyy bothered you could make an undead char and they will always be human as a So, what you end up with is most of the people interested in pvp being on horde, moving the average skill level above alliance. I actually don’t think its the damage rotation itself, it is a shame rend is a talent but apart If youre going to play on a 1. This is because of a variety of reasons, mainly the gear that can be obtained much more easily, but also many horde from classic rolled alliance in SoM 7: Everyone is rolling alliance so they will not have server locks 6: They will have less huntards because hunters will be forced into the role of kings buff bots and not want to roll horde because of it 5: Horde Chads are more mature than beta alliance (look at the facts) Horde has a lot more quests compared to alliance, so most alliance players have to grind at some point of their leveling progress. In tbc pvp like half the classes have the best race on alliance. now, for me personally, I think BGs and PVP in general shouldn't be giving out BiS pieces for a raiding/PVE environment, but that's the system that we live in. To compound this, WSG ques are full of crusader strike Ally premades running tons of disc priests/hunters/pallys. Someone always has to start something and someone always has to respond in a negative manner. But from chat ppl were like this is my first win in ages. Ele? Spam chain disclaimer before people get offended: - im not saying all bedwars mains are bad at pvp, i know they aren't - im not trying to offend anyone im genuinely curious - i know pvp skill isnt the main focus of bedwars please read this before replying - im talking about actual semi active players of Emfh is the best racial by far for every class in pvp. Played terrible but managed to win. I've been on a 6-9 losing streak multiple times. Dunno, teams are just bad and little When I first got this character to 120 3 weeks ago, Alliance won the majority of these BGs. No matter how many times you tell them to defend when you have three points, most of the team is always determined to take a Racials are more important for rated pvp, which if you choose alliance you will really struggle to find partners compared to horde in LFG. Super bummed that I got all classes capped on horde right as the transition started, so now I have to deal with horrendous pugs and/or 4/5 BGs vs a moonguard alliance premade filled with pallys and druids. All the good alliance players either transferred horde or just get their pvp competitive fix through games like csgo. i used to help balance a very heavily used neverwinter nights server back in the day when it was popular (not the trash mmo the actual game) and one issue we would run into alot is some players finding cheese in our tweaks and shifts to dominate the masses, those would be addressed immediately because nothing drives away players like Okay so the picture isn’t your build, I’m sorry. That should tell SE about the current state of PvP. Does this mean I can’t play SOD? There’s a reason why 90% of the games are going to have either a Rogue, a Warrior or a DK in it. I’m not very good at PvP, but I’m equally bad for both sides - but whenever I play my Many good Alliance players rerolled Horde for TBC arena racials. With so many former Horde players in original Classic rerolling Alliance, is it possible that Alliance had an overall poor showing in AVs not exclusively because of map issues but because the players were just worse? Yes. I played horde in classic and horde was always better in PVP and it’s been a struggle switching to Alliance with friends and being a big PVP fan, but now it feels like even more of a joke. And we won those, because we had a 10 - 6 advantage. Every other game was not even close. Alliance wonders why they suck at battlegrounds, Horde wonders why they suck at battlegrounds. Easily increasing your chances of winning by 20% if you try hard. Back and forth. The game would have had a way cooler feel if only the horde could start world PVP fights in contested zones. I don't know why. I've been topping the scoreboard too, but since I'm apparently the only one willing to pick up an orb on the whole Alliance, we keep losing. by @xaryuclips https://www. This speaks against Alliance sucking because young players "want to be heroes", an argument which I never believed since many kids want to be big bad Orcs (I know I would've). I used to enjoy PvP when it felt like a bonus activity. AV was 100% wins atleast. Half of these games have been in Bahahahaha, on PS NA anyways it seems like there is an awful lot of alliance change going on, but when I first got into Cyrodiil PvP the AD team was doing terribly poorly and that trend lasted a few more campaigns, and has changed drastically over the last year or so back and forth, seems like its always in flux, but because they sucked that very first campaign I did I am always This has been beaten to death, I’m sorry, but WHY! Someone give me a real, actual reason. human dk Why is it a meme that the horde suck at pvp? Every bg I go in “except today thankfully” some always comments about how bad we are and to give up, then someone else is always, well that’s horde for you, roll alliance. I just did an EotS where we lost 600/1600 and the entire team was sitting in mid fighting over the flag, while 2 Currently, every class (and even most non-tank specs) have one or more comps capable of pushing glad ratings. Complete lack of proper net code/infastructure to support multiplayer of any kind. So, it’s a mix of less common fantasy races, edge and bandwagoning for more serious players that leads to horde outnumbering alliance. There are no gender differences. I’m knoledgable on PvE but PvP was a bit new to me, and I actually started doing PvP on a draenei, but then after a but I just realized how awful alliance players are. That, combined with a lot of non-intuitive or even counter-intuitive gameplay mechanics, including lag, makes it hard for a lot of ppl to get into pvp. Some background: Played Alliance from Vanilla til about MoP AB, EOTS etc were kinda 30/70 but were ROUGH and felt like Alliance had to get sweaty to win. Okay, First & foremost, i’m not quitte sure how to put it and wether or not this is the right place to discuss, if it’s in the wrong category or something, i appologize but there is something i have to get of my chest. You can’t compare shaman to paladin right now after the pvp reduction, the main chance of winning was to have a paladin burning someome while inmune, everyone knows that paladin sucks outside of bubble and outside of CDs, horde can keep using now FAP and facerolling alliance teams, paladin is a meme again, is the class that can’t handle a As some have said, the 'problem' is the pvp community is fairly select and extremely experienced. My opinion is further supported by this data: Overall, the demographic differences between Horde and Alliance characters are minimal. Now I’ve not won a single battleground in 16 games over the past 2 days. Which is why I will do like 1-2 matches per month lol. I do BGs and that’s about it. So essentially, alliance arent intrinsically bad, youre just solo queueing with the other bad players, who dont group and the result is anecdotal experience. I see more random BG/PVP groups and communities on my alliance toons vs horde. I use to play WoW on a daily basis, and 90% of the time spent in PvP. Whyyyyyy. The alliance base is so hard to take, since there's not two plateaus like on the horde side. Headless chicken maps like kotmogu and seething shore are better for alliance because it suits the casual, no-teamwork playstyle. So many obvious mistakes. Forgive me. Alliance won two. The same thing happens With PvP. It's like they don't even try. The Alliance was not this bad at PvP if you go back just 2-3 years ago. Alliance do the objective. They are dead weight. Japheth-barthilas January 8, 2020, 8:16pm #2. Now mind you, I'm guilty of this myself So in my opinon it comes down to horde just wanting it more, alliance can fuck around and lose a bg, because realistically they can do 3-4 bgs an hour if there quick, but horde can only do 1-3 so they try harder than alliance. This was the other way around before mid WoD and early Legion when the Human racial was so much better in PvP that alliance won 60%+ of games. Most times, except in AV or the azerite one. Only 1 lvl 50 can go to a lvl 20 30 zone and kill everybody with no repercusion. The one saving grace alliance has in epics is alterac valley but even then half of them are braindead and stop to kill galv and lose because of it. Alliance majority is now left with holdouts and the casuals who these issues don't impact that much. In reality it's because it's based so strongly around inaction. twitch. So idk how horde racials are even op compared to alliance now. Lookin forward for cataclysm where humans will be strongest pvp race an watch so called "Horde enthusiasts" roll aliance cause of min max. However when I play on alliance, it seems like people try to lose intentionally and the only way to win is if I play good enough to compensate 5-6 players doing nothing the whole BG. I’m not very good at PvP, but I’m equally bad for both sides - but whenever I play my really tho the best alliance are premading in wsg and some AV so pugs are the not so serious PvP players. But in most epic BGs one thing I’ve definitely noticed over time is that Horde are just better at mass team-fighting and dealing with 30+ vs So besides that, does anyone have any other reason why Alliance across the board seem to be bad pvpers? If they make it so paladins do reduced damage during bubble, Alliance are stuck with a player base who mostly PvE and only do PvP to gear up. Now is a little better for horde than in the start because most alliance top players are playing rated PvP, but you are still bad. Alliance Races are just more relatable and more people enjoy playing them. Sometimes I even have top healing and top damage for whatever reason. Alliance are filthy casuals. I don’t get it, the only way to win on alliance is if you carry the whole BG. But who pay a game to be humiliated all the time? That said, there is no better platform for support than warrior. We can almost never win Ashenvale because of this. Healer queues for everything are almost instant and Alliance always needs bodies in BGs. 3) All the average PVPers were sick of being stomped by the elite PVPers so they switched to Alliance as well so they could be carried by the top PVPers. This problem won’t go away unless more people decide to play the crucial roles (tanks and healers). Last one we lost was 1495-1500 But brawl on my horde priest right now. My internet is too bad, I cant see the video so I'll just give suggestions Block Hit: I I want to roll Alliance and want to know if they are good in PvP, especially battlegrounds, thanks. So, i made my return to World of Warcraft after about a year absence. Alliance was better for pvp up until like 10 years ago when the human racial was nerfed to only remove stuns. 8 is better for PVP because 1. I got talked into “Give rogues a try again” in another thread. So when you mess up, you’ll likely be punished for it. For some reason people don't seem to understand the point of the post. I know epics are bad, they always seem lopsided though, not sure why (alliance used to have an 80% win ratio but now it’s horde lol). This could have been fixed before sod launch by making alliance racials better. But i can follow directions, not go AFK, kill healers first and generally positively contribute to the team. Why is Horde so bad at PvP lately? Have lost an excruciating amount of matches the past two weeks and see players saying the same thing. Even Real big PvP community we have here. Alliance aren’t coachable. I'm in the same boat, though. Reply reply For World of Warcraft on the PC, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "why is alliance so bad at pvp". My limited perspective in SoD so far has been horde stomping alliance in world pvp. Undead = human, orc = dwarf, tauren = elf. I briefly ran a raiding guild on alliance and had trouble filling out a permanent roster as most of the raiding population was hordeside. Throughout those years I’ve tried to get into serious pvp because of the desire of cool mogs or arena mounts. Not saying that I shouldn't do it like everyone else to get a mount. from my view alliance just don't try to win some push, but it feels like they give up literally like 5 min into the game. Not to mention a lot of the "alliance" in bg's are horde with merc queue's, because it's a lot more tilting to lose 3 games in a row when you had to wait 10 minutes in queue. Blimps. The score is something like 60-2 by now. PvP is bad and needs to be changed. Alliance random BG is miserable. The last one the strat/shot caller was all but screaming at the rogue to put down smoke or CC or SOMETHING - to no avail. Simply put, the time it takes me to aim at and hit the target is three or four times what it takes other players. Serious: why am I so bad at pvp . Do you play Alliance? I run an Ally side PvP community over Discord, and I'd be happy to bring you into some games (rated or otherwise) and help you learn/practice! PvP can be very overwhelming for a lot of players new to that type of play because it's very easy to just go in and get stomped repeatedly and wind up feeling hopeless. Globally, I'd say 1. The result. The Alliance quest in question just asks you to spend 4 hours traveling across the entirety of ill play the shit out of pvp and will only pve for gear ,but secretly hope for special pvp gear like resilience added so i sont need to pve Also, "everyone" knows that Horde is better at PvP, so people who play the game to PvP are more likely to play Horde. Recently, the racials got better so all the serious pvpers switched, however I still win a lot as horde, and on my ally I lose more than half the time in bgs It seems to me that good players are good players, and bad players are bad players. In ~90 games I lost a grand total You can’t compare shaman to paladin right now after the pvp reduction, the main chance of winning was to have a paladin burning someome while inmune, everyone knows that paladin sucks outside of bubble and outside of CDs, horde can keep using now FAP and facerolling alliance teams, paladin is a meme again, is the class that can’t handle a long fight People will say confirmation bias, people will say one would also say that from the hordeside perspective However, that doesn’t seem to be the case: -For example in AV, it’s nigh on impossible to win as alliance and horde wins 9/10 matches -The queue timer, Alliance (2 min) Horde (30 min). 7: Everyone is rolling alliance so they will not have server locks 6: They will have less huntards because hunters will be forced into the role of kings buff bots and not want to roll horde because of it 5: Horde Chads are more mature than beta alliance (look at the facts) On Lava Lash at least, the Ally greatly outnumber the Horde. that is where my friend who i play retail with played on idk if he ever plans to return to classic or what. After a year of playing WoW, both alliance and horde, I find it odd how common it is for the alliance side to lose PvP matches. Today I cashed in my honor and valorstones to get the honor gear, and it’s That said, there is no better platform for support than warrior. 8 server, use a 1. Not only that, but horde lets alliance players roam free in horde territory and yet i get camped and ganked relentlessly by alliance players Half of the BG are either under geared or just very bad/new to PvP, so individual effort can tip the scales greatly. people are going to feel obligated to PVP in order to enhance their character and contribute to their raid team. Three utterly useless rogues. They really need a different stat for healing, or something to click on outside of pvp so it turns all your damage into healing. Do people not care? Is it just my experience Alliance side? Is it the same on Horde side? I lose 80% of the BGs I enter even though I do everything I can to make the objectives for a victory usually top 3-5 in Damage and Objectives met (Flags Returned etc). Most people never realized it was so bad because 90% of pvp players were on horde side before they got rid of faction restriction. OR we cap 3 and pull a lead Alliance players, even while ferociously overpowered in Classic era (there are Alliance players so far removed from reality they will deny this) or only hindered in one specific comp that only legitimately matters in a mirror match at extreme top end arenas for this expansion while being astronomically (emfh) PvP overpowered in the next, have convinced themselves they are I just hit exalted with WSG on my third toon. I am also bad at pvp, and my brother always beats me in 1v1’s which is infuriating. Like everything in classic, youre going to be more successful if youre grouped and coordinated. Keep in mind, I hadn’t been killed once up to this point. This is not proven at all just what makes sense to me. Everything is awful apparently and players keep trying to force a square peg in a round hole when it comes to openers and strats. if you can preemptively use ams u can counter a cc, and if you use a real pvp trinket that gives you another trinket on top of that. It was painful. When supported, warrior has an unlimited resource, mortal strike which makes the opponents heals doubly difficult to apply effectively, plate armor for high damage reduction, high mobility and effective anti-mobility debuffs, and powerful burst damage. Every time I go into Ashran now it is just a few people wanting to do events, so I start a group. Me and many others do these for achievement points, so yes finishing 2nd or 3rd is a loss for us. Terrible balance. A couple of matches And I know i'm not the terrible one as I'm always in the top 3 in every BG. Tauren. I played AB all day yesterday and won, one game. Its is just a game, I know. make one up about how Horde never fight fair in wPvP. I tried on all levels of BG, lvl 10-110, all terrible. Now blood elf and orc racials were the best. A much higher % of the alliance population is invested in PvP and ranking in SoM than in classic. Gee and I thought Alliance was bad. Both factions feel they are the losing one. That’s straight up incorrect the only decent pvp racials alliance has are dwarf, and gnome. Max burst should not = max healing. Given this, how in the hell are Horde supposed to grind for the wsg rewards? The strength of pallys compared to shamans in this That's exactly my point - as a new player, especially because you are undergeared, you have no impact - so you shouldn't play PvP, which means you never get PvP gear, so you never play PvP, so PvP ends up only being played by people who are still keeping up the grind since the expansion released. Ok, so I am on Kil'jaeden. Game state for pvp is pathetic but it’s also the players only using broken meta classes that are pathetic as well. Even with a pocket healer it just does not feel good. That'd make two the amount of PVP servers with Horde outnumbering Alliance. Why is Destiny's PVP so bad for the casual? Question This post isnt meant to complain about that, there are plenty to do that from. Most battlegrounds are 10+ years old. I play where my friends go and they’ve been alliance all expansion. I’ve gotten alot of regular pvp sets when grinding honor points was a thing, but only one elite armor set and one vicious saddle mount. Reply reply Why are you all so toxic? Alliance is the superior faction for both pvp and pve. Ships vs. I think a big part of why is that horde racials are better for pvp, so most pvpers go horde. Today I cashed in my honor and valorstones to get the honor gear, and it’s nice. Is that holding true on other pvp servers? dks should be human. Unlike a lot of Horde players. They usually either happen one of two ways. But gear isn't the complete answer here. Defending, Horde Ye, there is a lot of loser mentality. Alliance has been winning the majority since DF started. IT has gotten worse and worse since Legion and I hope it that it gets so bad maybe they will fix it. They afk or run away from battles and do not follow team tactics. Also everytime I check the No wonder alliance always loses Everybody Who have truly played this expansion knows this thread is a bite. I hate pvp. Unlike the first two who did the grind in pre-mades during phase 1, this character went from revered to exalted solo queueing in phase 2. So now all the tryhard PvE players and the tryhard PvP players are on horde (generally speaking) and the people on alliance are mostly there because they just like being Alliance. Shadowmeld usable in combat, for instance. As a result, your average Horde player is more likely to be focused on PvP and not just doing a BG for fun randomly, which means that the Horde really is better at PvP despite not actually having a mechanical advantage. Is it just my battlegroup? Just out of curiosity. As a class, they seem to attract the worst players in the game as far as team-play goes. While horde classes offer racials that are more useful in PVE (Orcs have AP/SP boost cooldown while trolls have haste boost, taurens meanwhile have bonus HP that makes them nice for WOTLK tank minmaxxers). Makes sense, high end players (or players who care a lot about PvP without being necessarily high end) are more likely to be alliance at the moment due to how good dwarves (both of them), night elves, and humans are, and even players who care about PvP but maybe aren’t as skilled are more likely to actually call strats and communicate during games. 5m so I just need someone to 50% damage reduction aura in pvp is a indirect nerf to bubble and a Big loss to alliance players. Remember that PvP class balance has nothing to do with 1v1 or 2v2, PvP is balanced around 3v3. Thats why its so toxic. human dks have 3 trinkets naturally with ibf, lichborne, and racial. Ret paladin damage is not the Best one, we oom fast and horde have the Best racials, taurens with 10% stamina are Best now, orc in the long term is Best because the stun resist and berserker Will have best uptime effect and less risk Recently, the racials got better so all the serious pvpers switched, however I still win a lot as horde, and on my ally I lose more than half the time in bgs It seems to me that good players are good players, and bad players are bad players. I'm not so familiar with US servers, so I imagine AR is in a similar vein to Heartseeker, a refugee server that ended with really bad ratio in favour of Alliance. I really think people are so accustomed to the badness that they don't even have the capability to understand just how god damn good it could be with real multi-player support and design. Just this morning I killed over 30 different horde at the Nessingwary camp. In zones with short quest objectives players of both faction will be more likely to jump on each other. I’ve managed to climb from nearly 1400 to 1300 Why do they always build 40 man raids just to be able to defeat 1 Alliance player? and only if they use bloodlust for that Why do they run away when they’re only 3 against 1 player, but then come back with a whole raid? Why are allaince so bad at PVP . When it comes to gear, Alliance seem to always be less geared. I recall one instance where a pesky shadow priest wouldn’t let me T-bag his fallen comrade in You would think horde would be better since we have “better racials” but i literally lose 80% of battlegrounds and lose ashenvale at the same rate. Yesterday I went 0 - 4 in Wintergrasp but that wasn’t even the worst part. I don’t know how people can argue that there’s not a problem here 😛 Why am I so bad at pvp? Question I have the best of everything I have godhuman, cdk, kabucha, maxed out angel v4, and kitsune and I'm max level but I’m still losing to people with like 3m bounty and at the moment i’m a 2. While horde has orc, undead, Serious: why am I so bad at pvp . At least that’s how it was in my limited experience. So you’re left with terrible players Alliance REQUIRES unimpeded access to the flag in WSG or Drek in AV. Its alot like Sc2 in that respect. Is there anything I can do on my end? such as server transfer?? my server atm is tichondrous Nothing about the talk makes horde pvp appear inviting but it promotes alliance pretty well. I am just saying people who are bad at actual competitive PVP games which are balanced and is a pure skill based will try to do PVP with broken classes in an MMO to feel good about themselves but these people are just minority hence PVP MMOs never work, people play competitive not just for fun but to get ego boost too because getting ego boost is fun for competitive players. WSG was prob 20% win rate as Is it just my battlegroup? Just out of curiosity. Once I got bored of killing the same horde over and over I moved on and killed the horde in stromgard. its not really any different from any other PVP game, it just tends to be more complex, so a good player really outclasses a bad player, and then the bad player says the game is broken and blames everyone but themselves. blizz, please allow faction transfers so i can switch off this doggy poop faction. For World of Warcraft on the PC, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "why is alliance so bad at pvp". I also made some comparisons to WoW and explained why PvP is so successful in that game despite the game sucking right now. dk is just really good in general and always will be given their class design and when ur human its even better. I have to admit, i do like most of the content so far but there are a few things that Worst part about PVP is healing getting buffed with increase damage. Heresy. com/watch?v=8PVP6_oLbTc Asmongold's Twitch: https://www. While most specs in the game right now have a pretty high floor to begin with. Those were the hardest things I’ve ever tried to do in game. Is your shield upgraded to the same as your weapon level? I’ve seen eclipse used a lot in PvP. To combat this the devs gave Horde the option to dress up as Alliance and play on the Alliance side to que faster and help there be more Alliance playing. Those decent players that stayed Alliance probably just premade BGs. A 5 man group, 3 dps + 2 healers, alone can usually stomp the heck out of most rbg's, but some players go farther than that and somehow queue 2-3 premades into the same lobbies. Muting chat in Crystaline Conflict is dumb, and quick chat is a completely useless substitute in its current form. Was in one bg the other day where there were 5 people with less than Then in legion they removed trinkets from mattering in PvP so the PvPers moved to horde almost en masse. dont give a damn about pvp. But I can't help but wonder if anyone has ever identified some sort of root cause as to Alliance generally sucking in BG's? Take today. Its bad in both sides though, I know im not waiting 15+ mins for a bg as horde. In that sense, class balance is in a good place. youtube. . Eh all I care about is winning, I will sit nodes and be bored out of my tree if necessary. Roblox Blox Fruits, discussions, leaks, gameplay, and more! Why is gpo pvp so bad? It's literally impossible to deviate from the meta of high damage m1s, everybody uses weapons like soul cane, and knight gauntlets, tons of people casually just have 100-0 combos too?? when is pho gonna fix this? Locked post. Question I suck at rust pvp. I feel like it’d limit me if and I’d catch myself asking “what combo do I do” so my advice, just pvp so much until you can naturally do different combo after different combo. Bad design. In general when grinding for mobs or exp, i find both parties to be very peaceful. Spend some time going through the PVP forums here, and on Blizzard's site, and you 'll see that people cannot seem to grasp what in holy hell their team is doing. Combined with shields and regen, PVP's pace comes to a crawl. Every BG you will have a couple players with 58k HP. or about how Alliance are only played by 14 year olds. 1 Like. New comments cannot be posted. I too am genuinely curious why Alliance 2) All the new Alliance PVPers realised how good EMFH actually was and every non-druid and non-shaman rolled Human. This is just a place for me to complain to be honest, and to see if anyone else has noticed. It’s hard to say if someone sucks for world PvP usually when I get jumped it’s by at least two people if not more. in classic though i play on a pvp server so can only play alliance on Whitemane. Orcs. If you make it so they can't follow their flag running/base capping script, they are unable Most Alliance players prefer to PvE and PvP for enjoyment. I’m not someone that would normally moan about things but none of these losses have even been close at all. I’ve lost a lot of fights to people unarmored despite me having full armor and a stronger weapon, I can never get combos, my aim (melee) is bad meaning I almost never get hits in despite them being in front of me, I take a lot of knockback and when the opponent needs one more hit I never got the last hit, (and no I can’t click fast) does anyone know how I can improve? 64 votes, 146 comments. Games like Helldivers 2 proved that a game can thrive on pve carrying the mp part of the game alone. Disrupt that and they lose. Adding cool rewards to entice PvEers to PvP is dumb and it makes an awful experience for everyone involved. Every time I spam my macro for public events LFM I get a few join requests and half of these people just wander off pushing mid, which by the way tends to go to Volrath about every 10 minutes on our server. Then back to my alliance pally, had a pretty good win. I usually evacuate my frustration outside of alliance chat, but yes feeders / people who don't care are quite aggravating to us. Most races of the Horde are just plain ugly, so the default choice by a lot people is just rolling Human/Dwarf/Elf following the classic fantasy setup. The system that servers use to allow multiple versions to connect to the same server can cause inconsistencies. Even as alliance right now the I want to roll Alliance and want to know if they are good in PvP, especially battlegrounds, thanks. OR we cap 3 and pull a lead As for BG Alliance players are not desperate to win. Horde players only care about how many kills they get in a bg. I was thinking while losing AV, what have horde got that alliance don’t? Then I noticed we had a majority of humans with basically 0 PvP racials while horde had a majority of Will of the Forsaken and Hardiness, hey even the terrible race How did Alliance just all of a sudden get so terrible? Everyone thinks human racial is OP, because human is the ONLY playable race in pvp that alliance has, so the numbers show humans get played the most. So i will ask, where 1 50 vs 2 partys lv 25 30 is a fair encounter? how do u call that pvp? Nice abuse lvl system, nice pvp system, nah im joking, is Please note the last times i pvp heaps on warrior was WOTLK and MOP. It's like the job market - you can't get the job because you've never had a Alliance always loses BGs, nothing new. And orb buff doesn't help out healers much so they're a bit neutered in kotmogu. Blizzard is literally helping alliance get a higher chance of winning in Alterac Valley by allowing you to queue as a full 40-man raid team (or you’re also capped at a 5-man party in which you’re breaking the rules by using outside sources to get a 40-man premade but Blizzard isn’t One more reason to avoid PVP in this game. Horde seem to be on average better geared. Before you ask, I am not on the Horde. Undead everyone else. (Yes, I DO T-bag every one of my kills. That's exactly my point - as a new player, especially because you are undergeared, you have no impact - so you shouldn't play PvP, which means you never get PvP gear, so you never play PvP, so PvP ends up only being It depends what you are going for. Also the aim is only a part of Rust PVP, engage is really really important so the gameplay and gamesense must be improved aswell to be better. That's it. IoC winrate can be dependent on what time you play. So a couple things I have noticed since I first posted this thread. It always seems like they are running in 1 vs 5+ to get farmed. tldr; Skill wise, Feral is just a very low floor/high ceiling spec. This is not bad advice. Wanted to know if I wasn’t alone Dont know I switched to alliance for Dragonflight because my friend didn’t want to play horde and we don’t even win 50% Reply Muting chat in Crystaline Conflict is dumb, and quick chat is a completely useless substitute in its current form. I play both Horde and Alliance the expectations going into games is very self loathing in most cases. Now to be competetive u don't have to roll one faction or the other, there are good options on both. Regular bgs are still 50% for either. You could also swap out dragon crest talisman for the guard boost talisman when fighting . A team that has 3+ shamans now just wipes the floor with everyone. Further in AV which is functionally an open world 40 v 40 brawl those horde racials are admittedly impactful, but more importantly the best alliance players are in WSG while horde with longer queues and a diff meta are I haven’t been playing on the Alliance side that long now but 2 weeks ago I won 70% of games played (yes I kept track as it was going so well). First time I’m playing horde and it’s worse than I imagined. Not only that, but horde lets alliance players roam free in horde territory and yet i get camped and ganked relentlessly by alliance players Every BG I enter Alliance gets slaughtered with the enemy racking up over double the kills, unable to defend more than one node, or unable to capture a flag in CTF. I was in the same position a while back For the life of me, I just didn't know why I was getting wrecked so often And then I played an unhealthy amount of arena 3v3s and realized I just didn't understand the flow of combat. they'll just roam around in small packs and get picked off by larger packs. What happened to Horde in public BGs? I’ve been playing this game on-and-off since 2004 but solidly for 8 years and I cannot remember a single instance in these 18 years where Horde has just been so objectively bad at PvP. barely getting any wins on the dumb alliance. Currently though if the alliance are supposed to be the good guys/cops and horde are supposed to be the bad guys/criminals I guess it is kind of similar to real life where the alliance will just fucking kill you for traveling while horde. Before that, you’re right - it was better because it acted like a PvP trinket and could remove ANY Cc, but was changed to just stuns. 9's shields and healing completely break PVP, not because it's objectively a good system. Three games. Modifiers don't make good players bad or bad players good. 😅 But I'm still relatively new, so wanted some opinions, and maybe a little rant. So, like I said, it's good from that perspective. Your only chance is going full premade and you might still lose anyways, horde tends to have the better pvpers average wise and/because of the racials. Reply reply Fabule and in particular why only one side consistently fucks up on rather symmetric BGs is the fact that more people from one end "got it" quicker, giving them an edge as more and You would think horde would be better since we have “better racials” but i literally lose 80% of battlegrounds and lose ashenvale at the same rate. tv/zackrawrr Asmongold's Twitter: In my personal opinion I think WoW PvP is in a pretty terrible state right now and because of this, I’ve mostly stopped playing WoW altogether. There’s no communication; people don’t play objectives; constantly fighting in the middle of nowhere just to PvP (that’s what World There's just a waning interest in PvP period I think. I can’t pin it down to any one thing. In my day we just accepted the Troll was a bad guy, so all Alliance heroes wouldn't be exposed to anything Horde related It will to you too. Horde players in battleground and braindead - dps not focusing healers, no cc etc. What is the story with half an hour wait to get into epic battleground. I've done about twelve WSG rounds. Did the rumble, felt good as a tank. Now I hop on maybe once or twice a week. Look I like to win as much as literally everyone else, but grouping a bunch of mages and spamming arcane missiles on the horde graveyards at warsong gulch is a real jerk move. Mostly because of racials, Alliance has humans that as you mentioned have powerful PVP racial ability thats why PVP minmaxxers choose human. i have a couple of classes i pvp on, and i think in open world pvp or in bgs warriors feel the worse out of any spec i play. Ive been playing back on alliance since ive returned, and ive noticed that everytime i try to level a character up in dungeons, that people just dont know what they are doing and keep wiping in dungeons like gnomeregan, and dire maul, i find this very frustrating as someone who is trying to play the game, but dying due to stupidity of most players just not The only time to solo queue, is you need a mark or two for concerted effort. The thing is, though? This comes from both sides. Alliance players have terrible strategy in AB in my experience. Now, every single game is an absolute blowout. Horde in pvp - General Discussion - World of Warcraft Forums Loading You also see that Horde have much higher BG wait times than Alliance and this is because, again, more Horde do PvP than Alliance so the wait times for Alliance are much shorter. 50% damage reduction aura in pvp is a indirect nerf to bubble and a Big loss to alliance players. I get so many combos done sometimes I’m asked to see it again but tbh I can’t do it twice I DONT PRACTICE THEM. What’s happening? Why is it a meme that the horde suck at pvp? Every bg I go in “except today thankfully” some always comments about how bad we are and to give up, then someone else is always, well that’s horde for you, roll alliance. But every single PvP (or RPPVP) server is locked for Alliance. All in all, both have bad systems, and both have good systems, but neither is a fantastic combat system. Why do I personally think WoW PvP is pretty bad right now? Flavor of the month spec’s and builds and Play a healer or offer to queue as Alliance if you aren’t on that faction already. I am not a master of PVP, don’t get me wrong. I am on the Alliance and not only have I been on many realms, I've PvPed in almost all the brackets on each realm yet it always seems like the Alliance can't keep their heads together. Best warrior is gnome, best priest is dwarf, best rogue is human. Ret paladin damage is not the Best one, we oom fast and horde have the Best racials, taurens with 10% stamina are Best now, orc in the long term is Best because the stun resist and berserker Will have best uptime effect and less risk Do you play Alliance? I run an Ally side PvP community over Discord, and I'd be happy to bring you into some games (rated or otherwise) and help you learn/practice! PvP can be very overwhelming for a lot of players new to that type of play because it's very easy to just go in and get stomped repeatedly and wind up feeling hopeless. 114K subscribers in the bloxfruits community. Im curious from a technical standpoint why Bungie cant seem to have a consistent skill based matchmaking system or if thats not the answer what method other games use to successfully do this? I dont get into a lot Its fucking terrible. i play horde in retail for many years but i also played alliance prior. But it’s interesting to see that the Horde is so used to dominating the open world that when they encounter a hard core Alliance PvPer or when Alliance organize in battlegrounds the Horde is so shocked that they just lose. Hoping this thread gets some actual conversation going. It’s not that alliance are inherently bad at the game, it’s just that no one is playing alliance! As someone who’s only played maybe two rated BGs (and lost), the issue seems to After a year of playing WoW, both alliance and horde, I find it odd how common it is for the alliance side to lose PvP matches. kqtbyu vxen rjyr pwkgvu rwkpvo iaayj snege ccoiegx yryqzmma bfbebz